tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post3031376294217737988..comments2024-01-25T05:05:26.688-08:00Comments on Stuff Apostolics Like: #165-Prayer ClothsJoel Rileyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-74394268046988780812015-05-18T09:41:07.014-07:002015-05-18T09:41:07.014-07:00I thought proton packs got rid of unwanted spirits...I thought proton packs got rid of unwanted spirits? There was a documentary about it in the 80's I believe.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-84823206200822795002015-05-17T05:09:53.893-07:002015-05-17T05:09:53.893-07:00Acts 19:11-12King James Version (KJV)
11 And God ...Acts 19:11-12King James Version (KJV)<br /><br />11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:<br /><br />12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.<br /><br />Prayer cloths are used to help for healing and to have deliverance of unwanted spirits. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16374705452682292864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-83101070836177941772010-06-23T09:36:29.122-07:002010-06-23T09:36:29.122-07:00I think I find the overuse of prayer cloths as one...I think I find the overuse of prayer cloths as onerous as anyone else, but with that said, I'm of the mindset that it has more to do with the active faith of the group that has prayed over the cloth. From that, though, I do see quite a few shenanigans.<br /><br />It's similar in some regards to people who get healed at Benny Hinn's services (the ones that aren't carefully screened and brought on stage). As heretical and nonsensical as Hinn is, there are actually people who are healed, which I believe can only and should only be understood as the intersection of active faith and divine power. We all know God wants to and is willing to intercede in our lives if we have the active faith and desire for Him to do so. Hinn's service, then, is only the site, a sort of stage or prop where people can feel free to let their faith in God's healing power operate.<br /><br />This, of course, is problematic. Prayer cloths, long hair, and church services (not only Hinn's, but we might also include big Apostolic gatherings like camp, district meetings, youth congress), etc. have become talismans of a kind--intermediaries of divine power. Considering that we profess to have the holy ghost, the "comforter" (John 14:16 & 26) and yet still rely on such devices is reminiscent less of the original Apostolic church we claim to represent (at least what we know of it strictly from the Bible) and more of shamanism. Troubling, to say the least.<br /><br />Please understand I'm not doubting that God can and does work through things like prayer cloths. The power of faith is a non-issue; what is at issue is the misconception so many in our movement have over the necessity/use of formula and props for interaction with God.Chady Hosinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14701331138931021729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-70476255026677229732010-06-23T06:17:21.691-07:002010-06-23T06:17:21.691-07:00The brazen serpent soon became an idol which Hezek...The brazen serpent soon became an idol which Hezekiah was forced to destroy .... as Catholics have relied on rosary beads and relics ... it seems there is a preservationist movement to reify extrabiblical traditions in the Apostolic ranks and create new doctrines such as in summoning angels through their hair.<br /><br />-------------<br /><br />When photos like this one are condoned and tacitly approved of by posting on a org's official site with the following caption:<br /><br />http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/hair1.jpg<br /><br />This picture was taken at the Alabama’s Ladies retreat. Sis Patty Twyman took down her hair to summon the power of the angels over the prayer requests. Many prayers were answered.<br /><br />IT'S TIME TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES.Daniel Aliceahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09188079508492838873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-62464886342047249972010-06-22T18:00:53.131-07:002010-06-22T18:00:53.131-07:00Joel, I thought your point was pretty much the sam...Joel, I thought your point was pretty much the same as mine except for the 'God accepts faith' thing, which could be tricky, because it can be a slippery slope argument, but I do see what you're getting at. The problem could be where people do things that are counter to God's overall desires and principles as something for or to Him. <br /><br />For example, the Old Testament dude who sacrificed his daughter when he won the battle because he vowed to God he would. I don't think that God actually took pleasure or condoned that act.<br /><br />So where we run in to problems is when people do things that they think God would like that are not at all what He's looking for and could potentially be sin on the extreme end. <br /><br />So, faith is great, but there still needs to be some underlying principles that guide the actions that faith suggests. But then we get into the grace discussion and I'm a huge proponent of that.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926712525076132009noreply@blogger.com