tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post4028067541856307030..comments2024-01-25T05:05:26.688-08:00Comments on Stuff Apostolics Like: #197-Us Against ThemJoel Rileyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-7445079659066595562010-10-13T11:04:15.260-07:002010-10-13T11:04:15.260-07:00@Brad V,
I agree with most... I just don't be...@Brad V,<br /><br />I agree with most... I just don't believe A238 is the ONLY response or the MAIN one.. But good call. I like it.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-39840915812245475042010-10-13T10:02:52.498-07:002010-10-13T10:02:52.498-07:00Just got through reading 1st John. Love is mention...Just got through reading 1st John. Love is mentioned 26 times! Mostly brotherly love and unity. <br /><br />By this shall all men know....<br /><br />God please help us. Please.GThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879188128618674146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-49857770655331826122010-10-13T06:36:26.994-07:002010-10-13T06:36:26.994-07:00@glen mcgee and @brian ...
The Gospel is Jesus. I...@glen mcgee and @brian ...<br /><br />The Gospel is Jesus. In Acts 2, Peter preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Acts 2:38 was the altar call.<br /><br />Acts 2:38 is the biblical response to the Gospel. But Acts 2:38 is not not NOT the Gospel. <br /><br />Please don't make me say it again.bradhttp://bltitus.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-80682801026136318872010-10-11T06:38:46.540-07:002010-10-11T06:38:46.540-07:00Hahaha anonymous, that just made my day.Hahaha anonymous, that just made my day.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-8996424448687940432010-10-09T17:01:46.256-07:002010-10-09T17:01:46.256-07:00@Joel Thank you.
@anonymous I'm rely trying t...@Joel Thank you.<br /><br />@anonymous I'm rely trying to read you comment in a way that is satire and not just hurtful and poorly placed, but so far I have not had much luck. Poorly placed since this post seems much seeking unity. I would have said one of the NAYC '09 post would have been a better fit. <br /><br />We have competing ideals with in the AP community that need to be talked about. We are all seeking after God and how to best do His will. We have different viewpoints, fears and visions. We have one message, the good news of Jesus Christ, but the hole world will not hear it, if we speak it in only only one tong. <br /><br />We all must also watch ourselves. A world will never believe a message about a God who is love if it is said is a tong of hate.<br /><br />BTW why does everyone thing Apostolic = UPCI? The UPCI is just one (although rather large) out of may groups of Apostolics out there.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01401970289278394055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-7827058973689732502010-10-09T16:01:10.440-07:002010-10-09T16:01:10.440-07:00You guys need to change the name of this Blog. The...You guys need to change the name of this Blog. The purpose of this blog is to destroy and discredit the UPCI whic you are a Fool for doing so!<br /><br />Joel Grow up put your time and energy into something else. Walk away from the UPCI and find something that will cater to you!<br /><br />Glen you are a Joke. I have read some of your comments on here and you are a farce.<br /><br />Guys bottom line you need to really and truly get a life!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-69366410673240804272010-10-07T20:26:26.939-07:002010-10-07T20:26:26.939-07:00Oh, sorry. Since I am the aged, I see that as an ...Oh, sorry. Since I am the aged, I see that as an opportunity to teach a humble nugget that has much more value than the offending pebble. Not all corrections are criticisms, especially when from experience, humility, and love.Brittany's Dadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-24429710807832671872010-10-07T20:20:25.068-07:002010-10-07T20:20:25.068-07:00Apl, you hair splitter, you!
Of course, I immedia...Apl, you hair splitter, you! <br />Of course, I immediately thought the same thing. But the other content was impacting enough to dismiss the smudge. <br />Too bad you're my dad, or I'd be virtual yelling at you right now.Brittanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18178653218718313439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-16797498284869332852010-10-07T20:05:05.796-07:002010-10-07T20:05:05.796-07:00I've preached that the younger brother left ho...I've preached that the younger brother left home because he was sick and tired of the older brother's rotten, rotten, rotten, attitude.<br /><br />And for what it's worth, Jesus was subject to way more than 39 lashes. The 39 thing was Jewish, so Paul says, "Thrice from the Jews received I 39..." The Romans, however, didn't bother counting, perhaps because, I, II, III, IV, V, VI, &c., is just too much work, or because they were plain mean. I've heard preachers say, "There are 39 classifications of disease, one for each stripe..." However, because the Romans don't count we can find unlimited, innumerable benefit from those awful, wonderful stripes.aplnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-4364628293970849812010-10-07T17:42:08.581-07:002010-10-07T17:42:08.581-07:00Glen,
It is not just a response to the gospel it i...Glen,<br />It is not just a response to the gospel it is how we experience the good news of Jesus Christ. You cannot separate Acts 2:38 & the gospel. The good news is not good news w/o Acts 2:38. God bless-hope you find peace.brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645721459934514487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-75395655668470216632010-10-07T10:49:44.657-07:002010-10-07T10:49:44.657-07:00Brian,
I'm really not going to get into all o...Brian,<br /><br />I'm really not going to get into all of this with you, but I have to at least say something. The gospel is the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, as covered in Matthew Mark Luke and John.<br />At best Acts 2:38 is a (read:one) response to the gospel, but it itself is not THE gospel. Nowhere in the bible is Acts 2:38 presented as part of the events of Jesus' life. It is separate.<br /><br />And to say that it is the only plan os salvation goes right back to what we're talking about. I won't argue it. The truth is that we don't know. We arrogantly think and say we do but we don't. It's not absolute.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-55550639911905690552010-10-07T07:02:28.151-07:002010-10-07T07:02:28.151-07:00Glen,
Acts 2:38 is the "good news" or th...Glen,<br />Acts 2:38 is the "good news" or the gospel. It is the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. And it is the only plan of salvation. Sorry that you got hurt but just because there is some infighting amongst A/P does not change this truth. 1 Corinthians 15....brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645721459934514487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-58876182125893292022010-10-06T19:54:35.225-07:002010-10-06T19:54:35.225-07:00@John - all I will say is that I don't know. A...@John - all I will say is that I don't know. And nor does anyone. It isn't cut and dry, black and white or simple. What I do know is that Acts 2:38 isn't "all there is" or "the only way." Is it part of it? Absolutely. Will there be people in Heaven that never did it? I'm of the opinion that there will be, but that's my opinion. But to say that anyone of us has the definitive, final answer on the subject would be supremely arrogant. So I can't really say A, B, or C. I choose D - "I'm not sure"<br /><br />@Megan - I'm not attempting to throw sand, but if I am I'm throwing it at both sides. The man of God who is more concerned with "winning" against others isn't very much a man of God. As for the bitterness - I was bitter, very bitter, for a long time. But I've moved past the bitterness. Now I'm thankful that God took me out, and I watch with pity at those little toddlers, both sides, throwing stones at each other. That's not to say I'm in any way superior or in a better position. I just have a much different perspective. It's all really sad.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-30033315141064589862010-10-06T17:37:42.964-07:002010-10-06T17:37:42.964-07:00Is it too much of a "sunday school response&q...Is it too much of a "sunday school response" to simply say, "Don't get all bent out of shape over those who are setting up invisible enemies and being reactionary...and instead focus on being the best Jesus that you can possibly show your friends, neighbors and community..."? <br /><br />I thank God that my Pastor and his wife have drilled Love into me. Love for people who hurt me. Love for people who speak bitter things. Love for people who speak and act ignorantly. Now, loving people doesn't come easy for me by any stretch, but they have taught me to think on positive things, and to keep Christ my focus (which, believe me, is a constant battle). At any rate...why do we need a movement to restore sanity? How about getting back to the basics...loving our neighbor as ourselves. <br /><br />With all due respect, Glen, it seems that even though you're on the outside of the sandbox, so to speak, that you enjoy throwing sand at the man of God, just as much as he throws to his invisible enemy. Why all the bitterness? Isn't that the point of Joel's post? (And Joel, I hope I haven't misunderstood your point!) We can always find a convenient enemy to battle...especially a brother. <br /><br />If we are all truly in this together (and I do believe that with all my heart), then let's lay aside the weights of anger, bitterness or even basic misunderstandings and run this race with patience and love.<br /><br />Respectfully yours,<br />MeaganMeaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05495835709849437689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-20110015608291352712010-10-06T16:37:46.312-07:002010-10-06T16:37:46.312-07:00John, I know I rarely end up in conversation with ...John, I know I rarely end up in conversation with you on here and in the other blog, but I really thank you for your comments and readership. You always bring something to the table...Seriously, Thank youJoel Rileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-21602381258498022862010-10-06T14:52:35.989-07:002010-10-06T14:52:35.989-07:00@Glen McGee I can read you post a few ways and I w...@Glen McGee I can read you post a few ways and I would like to clarify which you intended?<br /><br />A) Acts 2:38 is one of many requirements (aka praying, helping the poor, ...) all of which need to be fulfilled to inter Heaven.<br /><br />B) Acts 2:38 is recommended but not required.<br /><br />C) He is wrong to us the word "gospel" since Acts is not in the first 4 books of the NT. But if he used the word "scripture" that would have been ok.<br /><br />If A I will agree with you. <br />If B I will strongly disagree with you. <br />If C I will say something like arrrrg and walk away.<br /><br />@The Post<br /><br />Grate Video!! Thanks!!<br /><br />Very good point, I've been guilty of that and need to try not to do that.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01401970289278394055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-43250066945505078982010-10-06T14:46:30.295-07:002010-10-06T14:46:30.295-07:00Ah, so many feelings. I want to stand up and appla...Ah, so many feelings. I want to stand up and applaud you, write an "A" in red pen at the top of this "paper" and circle it with a flourish, and give you a hug -- all at the same time. And I want to thank you, for rousing some sort of feeling in me... for making me feel connected to something larger than what I am, now. For giving me a peek into what I'm not aware of or involved in anymore. Me, who "never goes to anything anymore," beyond the obligatory Sunday-Wednesday, of couse.<br /><br />I admit, I've missed your funny posts. Gotten a little tired of the reeeeally long musings (but what would a musing be if it wasn't, first and foremost, long -- so long it has to jump to another page). But this one? This one just blew me away. On several levels. <br /><br />Your humility. Awesome.<br />Your writing. Awesome.<br />Your analogy. Awesome.<br />That's all for now. I know I sound like a groupie. That's ok. You deserve it today. :)<br /><br />I haven't watched the youtube video yet. Maybe I'll post again after I do. Youtube = NSFW.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09513238106622651404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-12573065671160849532010-10-06T11:36:37.556-07:002010-10-06T11:36:37.556-07:00Sorry, I made that sound like they were on differe...Sorry, I made that sound like they were on different sides. They're both conservative. The liberals I referred to are the ones I see and hear of every day.<br />I'm glad some liked Graham's message, I just found it to be the same junk he's been preaching for years. Not to mention it's all reactionary. He's reacting to things in the movement, not necessities of the world.<br /><br />And Huntley said Acts 2:38 isn't just the full gospel, it's the only gospel pan of salvation. Which, by definition means everyone who hasn't followed Acts 2:38 is going to hell. Acts 2:38 isn't even gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the stories of the gospel of Jesus.<br />It was just an arrogant, errant thing to say.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-54883247553760222802010-10-06T09:01:32.899-07:002010-10-06T09:01:32.899-07:00Glen,
I was there for Huntley's sermon last S...Glen,<br /><br />I was there for Huntley's sermon last Saturday evening. To which of his statements do you refer? And to what was it in reference? <br /><br />Sadly, I missed Graham's (c'est la vie) but had many friends tell me that it was tremendous. (My WPF friends even bought the dvds...), at any rate, I will refrain from forming an opinion until after I have watched it...<br /><br />Does Graham represent a different side than Huntley? I thought them both to be conservative...Meaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05495835709849437689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-689478959603273592010-10-06T08:51:08.407-07:002010-10-06T08:51:08.407-07:00thank you Joel Riley.thank you Joel Riley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-87567433023373227942010-10-06T07:11:48.805-07:002010-10-06T07:11:48.805-07:00I don't know if Joel will let this stay (if no...I don't know if Joel will let this stay (if not I apologize bro), but I'd like to make mention of something. I watched Scott Graham's message from General Conference and heard a little bit about Wayne Huntley's. Scott Graham preached the same message he's been preaching for about 3 years now; "hold onto the old...don't abandon what got you here...something something something dark side..."<br />After hearing that and some key quotes from Huntey's sermon I was sick. At BOTH sides. And like Joel said, I've been in the thick of it. If you looked at my Facebook a year ago you'd see. numerous status' hurling bombs at "them". I did it so much so that I got defriended by a few people, including a person in leadership at my own church. (She thinks I didn't notice)<br />The bottom line is exactly what Joel was saying. How much "us vs. them" is there going to be before we finally see some unity?<br />The right is making the same claims, over and over, and the left thinks that their arguments are new or unique and neither side is using any sort of logic. I've heard people make asinine statements like "Our church dropped standards and grew so fast!" as a justification for why they're doing what they're doing. And they cite blogs like these and people like Joel as justification.<br />We CAN'T STAND IT when those kinds of people use our arguments and reasoning as their reason for "believing" what they "believe".<br />I can't stand anyone who doesn't read, and that goes for liberal AND conservative. But the overwhelming majority of talking heads don't. They don't read. They don't study. They just sit in coffee shops, lobbies and churches and hurl these toddler like arguments, each side saying something more extreme, JUST to win the argument.<br />Huntley's statement at GC reminded me of two 6 year old kids arguing about whose dad is stronger, with one saying "My dad is stronger than superman!"<br />He doesn't even realize what he said. He just sees the liberals making big claims so he's going to make a bigger one. If he really believes what he said then he believes that everyone who is not a oneness pentecostal is going to hell, and I don't believe he'd really ever say that. He just made a big blanket statement to up the ante of the public discourse.<br /><br />But we're all doing that! We're all just sitting around seeing who will say the most profound, extreme thing, causing the other side to gasp and come up with something weirder.<br /><br />You can condemn me or preach at me, but I've joined the ranks of those who step back and watch this as an outsider, and the whole thing looks a lot smaller out here. When you're "in" it it feels like a war. There are sides, there are things at stake. There are family names, legacies, castles and celebrity to be had.<br />But from out here it looks like a bunch of little kids in a sand box. The red ranger versus the green ranger. The pot versus the kettle.<br /><br />I think we should do what Jon Stewart is doing in Washington. Let's have a movement to restore sanity. I believe about the movement like Stewart does about America. There is about 2% extreme on the left, 2% extreme on the right and they are spewing FIRE at one another. But there's about 96% in the middle who don't care. They just want to be Christians and affect their world. They don't care about General Conference, who's compromising, who wore what, and who left the organization.<br />They just want Jesus. The other 4% can shut up, and they should.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-72660894006820002452010-10-06T06:27:02.753-07:002010-10-06T06:27:02.753-07:00i actually saw that youtube video for the first ti...i actually saw that youtube video for the first time last year, then showed it to my youth group! and all my siblings! but yeah, i like how you likened "the fight" to sibling rivalry. spot on metaphor that is. and that pie chart made me lol ("lack of hair angels"...lol...)Ishtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17452530593729443319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-26406934332716332352010-10-06T06:06:02.382-07:002010-10-06T06:06:02.382-07:00In this fight who is Cain and who is Able??
AndyIn this fight who is Cain and who is Able??<br /><br />AndyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-21153325123743123202010-10-05T14:28:22.733-07:002010-10-05T14:28:22.733-07:00I guess I've been trying to figure out where a...I guess I've been trying to figure out where all this animosity is coming from.<br />I don't necessarily participate in the political wranglings (and yes, they are political, as much as they are spiritual and financial) of our beloved church organization, and I'm finding myself a little less than thrilled. Is it really that there's a cancer called "emergent" in our movement, or are we looking to have a scapegoat for our own guilt?<br />Penn's video is spot-on. And that bugs me. <br />How many people in our beloved church group have actually taken the time to be proactively "Christian" (i.e., Christ-like)? And when they are, are they doing it out of social peer pressure to do so, or are they truly exhibiting God's love? <br />Argh. <br />Too much to cohesively express in a few simple words. But the point is: Are we doing ANYTHING to make the world around us (whether our families, our friends, our co-workers, our neighbors, our community) a place that knows that Jesus is REAL and that He paid a price for our sin? Or are we just waiting for someone else to do it so that we can analyze how they did it?Josh Zamorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120783746307810815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-48978768667372404452010-10-05T13:13:43.152-07:002010-10-05T13:13:43.152-07:00I almost got the chills reading this.
I know you ...I almost got the chills reading this.<br /><br />I know you interjected comedy in it, but it's so real life that it's ... well, chilling. <br /><br />Thanks for yet again another great read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com