tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post7259373973632842368..comments2024-01-25T05:05:26.688-08:00Comments on Stuff Apostolics Like: #122-Baby Dedications....Joel Rileyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-64520202163374802042010-07-08T20:34:01.987-07:002010-07-08T20:34:01.987-07:00I would prefer to leave funerals and weddings outs...I would prefer to leave funerals and weddings outside of the church, but culture has changed and even people who do not attend a church wants to have their wedding in the church. I believe the bible is your how to live manual but don't think it is coded. Love christ, love your neighbor, witness and be a light. I agree cultural changes are going to be applied in a church but unfortunately some turn into rules enforced by a pastor to a congregation which to me turns them into a heaven or hell issue, because if you do not follow them then you are disobedient. I think it is a hard line to draw, but really I find no problem with the dedication as I said I even had my daughter dedicated, and I wonder does that mean I won't get credit in heaven for dedicating my child because I did it in the open?John Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18153959648148129015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-83766884586575856792010-07-08T15:42:33.723-07:002010-07-08T15:42:33.723-07:00And GT, unbiblical traditions taught as biblical t...And GT, unbiblical traditions taught as biblical traditions fall into that category as well. And unbiblical traditions that are compulsory for church goers is an injustice to the cross and nothing but divisive tearing apart of the Body.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07774891504063417711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-54603577815027735712010-07-08T15:40:54.587-07:002010-07-08T15:40:54.587-07:00I disagree John. The Bible isn't a codified ma...I disagree John. The Bible isn't a codified manual of how to live. It's our story of why we live. We have "Christ in us" the hope of glory. Doing things in celebration (ie. weddings, funerals) and even cultural traditions that are created are not a departure from the Story. We are the Story. As long as Jesus is first, our teaching points back to Jesus (this goes for our teaching not putting unbiblical demands on people as salvific, or putting demands on them at all!), then we are doing what we should. Baby dedications is a wonderful time for the parents to publicly and symbolically give their children to the Lord's care, while also doing their best as caretaker's. It's a beautiful celebration of new life. It's not salvific, nor is it speaking to the baby's individual salvation. That's a LONG ways from infant baptism IMO. <br /><br />Has anyone read Leonard Sweet's essay, "Jesus Manifesto?" A couple pages of pure delight.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07774891504063417711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-39680623883292308972010-07-08T10:48:52.120-07:002010-07-08T10:48:52.120-07:00I agree that adding non Biblical traditions can be...I agree that adding non Biblical traditions can be dangerous, *if* we are requiring them for salvation.<br /> What about funerals and weddings they are ceremonies we perform in church? Should those be stopped?GThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879188128618674146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-4557760225713200162010-07-08T08:48:09.746-07:002010-07-08T08:48:09.746-07:00Luke is an example of a law requirement, and 1 Sam...Luke is an example of a law requirement, and 1 Sam is not relevant, unless you plan on forfeiting your parenting rights and leaving that child with the pastor to be raised, I am a father and I did dedicate my child, I just think it is dangerous when you start adding non-biblical traditions in churches, not saying there isn't a place for these traditions it just seems a step away from baptizing babies.John Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18153959648148129015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-27711664966150898782010-07-07T20:34:59.215-07:002010-07-07T20:34:59.215-07:00So are you saying it should only be done if it is ...So are you saying it should only be done if it is in the Bible? -- I wouldn't be able to drive a car if I only did what was in scripture. Are funerals like ours in the Bible? Are alters in the Bible, actual wooden alters to kneel down on at the front of the church? What about an actual church building for that matter? Were those in the Bible? Church weddings? Were those in the Bible?Prayer lines? People jumping up and down? Running the aisles? <br /><br /><br />I agree we shouldn't elevate BDs to a Biblical Scriptural mandate. That's adding but if its a good idea, why knock it just because some single guys are too carnal to understand what a blessing a new baby is?GThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879188128618674146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-73938659874763482762010-07-07T20:23:10.635-07:002010-07-07T20:23:10.635-07:00Luke 2 and 1Sam 1Luke 2 and 1Sam 1GThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879188128618674146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-14822838748727426122010-07-07T05:18:16.248-07:002010-07-07T05:18:16.248-07:00Biblical example of a baby dedication please?Biblical example of a baby dedication please?John Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18153959648148129015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-40175801412756307162010-07-05T08:42:20.987-07:002010-07-05T08:42:20.987-07:00The baby dedication isnt really for the baby. Its ...The baby dedication isnt really for the baby. Its to admonish the parents. Its to publicly dedicate the baby to God. And the point that you are clearly missing is that it is so the congregation can stand with the family in unity to train up this child for Gods Kingdom. <br /><br />You dont like babies? Then you dont like God. Babies are made in His God. They are his heritage and reward. They make us happy. They are what its all about. They are a blessing.Kelseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13117391194470413262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-80533587008533367582010-03-12T07:14:03.870-08:002010-03-12T07:14:03.870-08:00We're not a rip off of Stuff Christians Like. ...We're not a rip off of Stuff Christians Like. We're a rip off of Stuff White People Like, which is what Stuff Christians Like is a rip off of.<br /><br />As for the rest of your comment, you sound like the bitter conservatives we've given up fighting with who argue cultural memes and nuances instead of scripture, with the exception of engaging in proof texting. If you don't get the humor you don't have to visit the site, but thank you for increasing the hit count. Good day.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765389996081848929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-16789874309397594622010-03-11T14:24:39.809-08:002010-03-11T14:24:39.809-08:00You go girl!You go girl!Joel Rileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-21069922876244190962010-03-11T05:23:00.672-08:002010-03-11T05:23:00.672-08:001. I think you're a jerk.
2. You're a bla...1. I think you're a jerk.<br /><br />2. You're a blatant poorly executed rip-off from Stuff Christians Like.<br /><br />3. Your chronicling of a bizarre sub-culture of Christianity practiced by the cult-prone apostolic "non-denominational" denomination is highly disturbing because while your comments are made in jest they're illustrative of the lifestyle that is actually carried out by thousands of followers. <br /><br />4. I think you need a time of introspection to figure out what has made you such a harsh and hurtful person. Comedy and cruelty are not synonymous. <br /><br />5. Hurt people hurt people. Let Jesus heal you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-1158808831462513072010-03-03T01:26:31.752-08:002010-03-03T01:26:31.752-08:00so i really appreciate the advice Jennifer, but ar...so i really appreciate the advice Jennifer, but are you suggesting that circumcision is a requirement for Christians?Joel Rileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-42690471517722421802010-03-03T00:41:12.264-08:002010-03-03T00:41:12.264-08:00A baby can't be dedicated to God from birth? H...A baby can't be dedicated to God from birth? Hhmm. Better sit down and have a talk to Sampson's mom and Samuel's mom and then to John the Baptist's mom. And I guess maybe then we could talk to Mary but maybe she didn't count. LOL <br />All these men were dedicated to God in utero. It didn't make them perfect or saved but it reminded their parents not to kill them before they had time to grow up! Seriously consider being the mom of the kid who eats bugs and pure sugar all the time! Poor old lady!<br />And as for circumscision being just a symbol to the Jews... I think you may want to think that over again too. A guy was not even considered one of his own people without it. God sent an angel to kill Moses (after he called him to go deliver his people no less) because Moses had neglected to circumcise his sons. Go figure. <br />But I do apreciate the satire. And I get it. I also will lay down some really good money to bet that you don't have your own "ugly baby" yet. *smile* <br />Let us all know when you do. <br />Jennifer WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-22273442078604603552010-02-28T09:14:11.314-08:002010-02-28T09:14:11.314-08:00We all hate baby dedications, Joel! Stop acting l...We all hate baby dedications, Joel! Stop acting like you are the only suffering soul. I have to admit, sheepishly, that I have afflicted three baby dedications on my long-suffering church. Can I just say that it was REALLY meaningful to me and my family? and that I REALLY loved getting to show off my gorgeous non-ugly baby to the whole church and getting to be the center of attention for those brief moments?Ellie N.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-44843278642703299332010-02-26T10:02:08.894-08:002010-02-26T10:02:08.894-08:00I would just like to say I love the angry-baby-fac...I would just like to say I love the angry-baby-face graphic. SO funny :) <br /><br />PS All the baby dedications I've been to involve a reading from Samual I.Stephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-23993612985321621252010-02-23T18:08:36.914-08:002010-02-23T18:08:36.914-08:00I will counter that with Romans 2:11-12.I will counter that with Romans 2:11-12.Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-70180118341850139412010-02-22T19:00:47.627-08:002010-02-22T19:00:47.627-08:00Aye aye....Louie and Scott...Two men who are after...Aye aye....Louie and Scott...Two men who are after the logic of Romans!<br /><br />(I account Romans as the book that has me saved)...<br /><br />Louie I believe you are referencing Romans 2:14... which says basically what you said (those who did not know God, are judged by the law that was placed in their heart)...<br /><br />Scott, I refer you to romans 2:14 as my counter answer..Also you must take not that the identity of Christ is not at stake in the first two chapter of romans (starting at 1:18).... romans 1:20 mentions the knowledge of God (and thus are responsible to some moral ethic in our heart), but God as revealed in Christ is not at stake.Joel Rileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-59979016411967107002010-02-22T17:44:10.608-08:002010-02-22T17:44:10.608-08:00about your last argument Joel, you probably should...about your last argument Joel, you probably should read Romans chapter 1. in verse 20 it says "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"<br />just thought i would point that out.Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-19712894461733434702010-02-22T05:06:59.258-08:002010-02-22T05:06:59.258-08:00First off Joel, i feel you on what youre saying lo...First off Joel, i feel you on what youre saying lol.<br /> I wish that I was slain in the Spirit during baby dedications, as well as liturgial dances, and when like 35 get baptized...just me.<br /><br />But for everyone else who is harshly criticizing Joel for his post and his other posts you're kinda missing out on the point of the whole website. You bashing and trashing just takes away from the vibe of the whole thing and it brings an air of religiosity that we can all be spared because we get enough of that in the Apostolic tradition. This is supposed to be a safe haven for free-thinking yet ardent Apostolics that don't mind asking questions and pressing the envelope. Christ taught us to be courageous not satisfied with the status quo. Just sayin...::kanye shrug::<br /><br />AND last...yeah about the whole thing about people in native savage countries...i do believe that those who died without hearing the Gospel of Christ will be held to the law of ethics and morality that's written on their hearts as is acceptable in their society. That's the only thing that I can fathom from Scripture...those darn LDS found a cop out with their extra books and their whole "Jesus-went-and-preached-everywhere-around-the-world-after-his-resurrection" theology...smh. sometimes its not fair being "the first" lol.<br /><br />Keep up the good work man, I love the site.Louis D.http://www.twitter.com/fireduppk238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-83830593207354581082010-02-22T02:05:02.396-08:002010-02-22T02:05:02.396-08:00I'm really encouraged by the amount of "c...I'm really encouraged by the amount of "correcting" that has gone on in the comment section.<br /><br />It has definitely made me reconsider the placement of baby dedications within the church. <br /><br />Ultimately, you guys are right. There is definitely a place for these ceremonies in church especially in consideration of all our responsibilities to a family within the church body.<br /><br />If there is one place that i do stand firm on, it's that we understand these dedications in their proper context. I do think the idea that a baby can be dedicated at birth to the Lord is a somewhat corrupt concept. My correcting would be that we dedicate the parents and the church body in the raising up of the child, but as for the baby, i do not think there is anything really to be dedicated (not that the baby is of no value). that said, I feel like the term "Baby dedication" is ultimately what I am at war with. Not that ceremony itself, but rather the concept that a baby can be dedicated to the Lord. <br /><br />Thank you guys for the critiques. <br /><br />As for the term "post-embryo," I do not repent such a term. It was used in jest....<br /><br />In closing, i would like to posit an argument for you guys to think about (should anyone read this)....<br /><br />If babies go to heaven because they never reached an age of accountability, we must therefore say that native savages of centuries past who never heard the gospel message went to heaven too because they cannot be held accountable for not being saved by a message they never heard.Joel Rileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449770157998900843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-44037091761698082622010-02-21T23:30:08.919-08:002010-02-21T23:30:08.919-08:00Despicable.
Josh R hit the nail on the head. The...Despicable. <br /><br />Josh R hit the nail on the head. The church is a community and a family. We celebrate life together -- new life as part of that. As a spiritual community the tradition of baby dedication (as opposed to infant baptism) is an honorable one that is truly more about the extended family and parental unit than the child (since the child isn't making any commitment). It's about a commitment to "train the child up in the way he should go." <br /><br />Catholics baptized with regenerative hopes... ours is a preparation to foster and reflect Jesus to our children so they are given an environment that leads them to Jesus. This is a situation the Epistles are mostly silent on, since most were written from the perspective of first generation believers! <br /><br />I enjoy the satire and humor, but on a technical note -- strongly disagree with your views. Children are the heritage of the Lord, and baby dedications are a beautiful time for the church family.Saranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-61951131276320991492010-02-21T20:29:25.479-08:002010-02-21T20:29:25.479-08:00It's okay to think babies are ugly. It's ...It's okay to think babies are ugly. It's okay not want babies or not be ready for one. But "post-embryo" is NOT okay, in my opinion. Sounds like something a pro-choicer would say.<br /><br />Sure hope IF you marry that SHE feels the same way as you........poor child.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-84082916124548172032010-02-20T22:15:23.852-08:002010-02-20T22:15:23.852-08:00I like how you called babies ugly 5 times. No matt...I like how you called babies ugly 5 times. No matter what all the moms may say ("Aww that's a cute baby") babies are ugly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8219781724285312648.post-56866544227382851842010-02-20T09:50:46.367-08:002010-02-20T09:50:46.367-08:00as a soon to be mother, there is no way i want to ...as a soon to be mother, there is no way i want to be in front of the church for 30 minutes or more. however, even if it was just a ceremony with my pastor, my husband, baby and myself i would want to have some kind of dedication. <br />my thinking has always gone back to Hannah. I have prayed for this baby for a few years and had been told I only had a 50% chance of ever having a child. I have prayed prayers similar to those of Hannah. I would like to have the opportunity to dedicate my role as a parent as one purposed to raising my child in a way that is pleasing to God. Not that I will be perfect, but i will try my best. Also, to show that first and foremost, this baby belongs to God. <br />just some serious thought from an overly hormonal woman. :) <br />Love the blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com