Editor's note: Post recommendation and naming credited to Aaron J. Hall
Imaginary Monologue from the Dude who is totally going to try stealing the show by sneaking a preach at tonights youth rally
You may have seen me reading my Bible on the platform just before service began. Yes, I was reading Psalms specifically. But it wasn't for any kind of personal devotion or to hype myself up...No it was for something march larger in scale. Something that all may enjoy. You see, I was looking for a good, solid, powerful verse about praising or something. I was memorizing a verse, which is not the easiest thing in the world since I was not a Bible Quizzer, nor have a been part of a Sunday School contest that awarded points for memorizing a verse in years. The memorization would be key to the preach, I planned on sneaking in the service.
Some should say I should be content as a worship leader for tonight's service. But everyone knows that to be labeled as a worship leader alone as a ministry comes with many negative stereotypes. Mainly that worship leaders are an overly-emotional bunch who don't have the mental capacity to do anything more productive than to quote a few verses, a chorus, and a bridge to a song that was made famous on an Israel Houghton CD. Sure, worship leaders, and musicians in general are talented in their craft, and they dress amazing, but there is much more to us than what meets the eye. And don't think for one moment that I signed up as a music leader simply to evade the obligations of praying at the altar. That's only a quarter of it.
The reality is I'm really a good preacher. You should hear the sermons I recite in the shower. Epic is a good word for them. And all those years of being a worship leader and the limiting stereotypes that the role entails, I have decided to branch out, and use my worship leading as a launch pad to reveal to you my greater call. The call, to be a profound preacher. It's not too dissimilar to an big-time actor trying his hand at forming a band.
So it's here tonight, at the youth rally that I plan on showing you and the rest of the audience that I am not some pretty face who shrills the notes quite well after a verse. There is also a girl I have a crush on who I want to fall in love with me here tonight five pews back. Sneaking a preach is a solid tool to birth butterflies in her stomach when she thinks about me. Plus the big name evangelist who is here tonight, if I do a good enough job, I am hoping he may take me on the rode with him to kind of open the show. A John the Baptist sort who paves the way. And then if I am good enough, which I will be, I can use my role as a "sneak-a-preach-preacher" to become a full-time evangelist. Through me you get the best of both worlds: Musical splendor, and a preacher aficionado. Killing two birds with one stone. A singer-sermon writer.
Everyone knows that if a preach is to be sneaked, it must happen between songs. If the song is to be slow, the preach must be sneaked on the first quiet notes leading up to the first verse. Here, the mini-preach must be in a sincere tone that aims at a preparation of the slowness which is to come. It hushes the crowd if you will. These "sneak-a-preaches" become especially critical when a fast song has just been played and the slow song is about to come on. Thus the "sneak-a-preach" is administered solely for reasons of transition between the fast-paced Holy rolling music to the "close your eyes and think about God enough that you may end up crying" slow song. Thus, if one wants to be noticed in their sneaking, the introduction to the slow song is not where such recognition is to found because the role assumed "setting of the tone for the next song" is more functional and necessary. In such a sense, the introductory "sneak a preach" to a slow song is not really a "sneak-a-preach" at all in terms of definition. There is nothing spontaneous about the mini-preach begun at the beginning of a slow song. Thus my sneaking tonight will be not be resolved in such amateur expectancy.
Now to properly "Sneak-A-Preach," it must be done at the conclusion of a fast-paced, cymbal-crashing worship song. Here, not only is having a flawless delivery important, but of equal importance is the timing at which the preached is to be sneaked. This is where most "sneak-a-preach" preachers get it wrong. Where most error is they launch into their prepared sneak-a-preach right after the completion of a fast song when everyone's in the throes of worship wrapped up into their own God moment. Thus when the timing is wrong and launched into too soon, the "sneak a preach" is a distraction to the worship and not a facilitator of the worship. On the hurried "sneak a preach" people are called out of the worship (which is usually loud as it is), and forced to open their eyes to see this rambunctious kid trying to scream over them spouting God-knows-what complete with a mention of a cliche verse from Acts about what everyone is doing is what the Prophet Joel spoke with daughters dreaming dreams. In such ill-timing, the "sneak-a-preach" is oppositional to the rest of the congregation.
But worry not listener, as I know my place and where the preach must be sneaked but at the same time listened to in approval. For I will place my preach at about 90 seconds after the conclusion of the song wherein the worship will still be flowing, but it will now be coming down to a tolerable level wherein, when I launch into my premeditated spiel (which must come across as completely spontaneous and unplanned. I can't stress this enough), it will not be done at a confrontational volume to the rest of the worship but rather will augment the worship by speaking at an acceptable volume just above the buzz and with such authority that I will be seeking the perpetuation of the worship that will carry the momentum of the worship right into the next song. You will know my preach has been properly "sneaked" with the many head-nods, arms raises, and head-nods that will surely follow my mini-sermon. You will be awed.
Before I say anything else, let me preface it by saying I truly appreciate most of what I have read here on this blog, and I don't think you're a heretic. That being stated, this one didn't sit particularly well with me.
ReplyDeleteI've been leading worship for about five years now. And yes, often it works out that I will get stuff to say in accordance with the songs... Generally, it comes through my response to what we're singing about. And yes, often there are scriptures that come to mind, but no, I usually read them earlier that week as part of my daily devotions, and are not pre-meditated "sneak-a-preaches". As I worship, the words come to minister specifically to our congregation. Kinda like when Elisha called the musician when some of the kings had come to ask him for advice (2 Kings 3:15-17)... He said, "Bring me a musician." Once the musician started going, he started prophesying. For me to operate in those gifts, it flows more naturally when music is going. That probably has a lot to do with how I'm wired. Now I'm not saying I'm right up there with good ol' Elisha, but I do believe God works that way through worship leaders fairly often.
But good gracious, if this is really what you feel is going on during praise and worship, I can understand why you're having so much difficulty participating.
The views expressed in this blog post, and every other post are in no way a universal reflection of everyone who considers themselves Apostolic. Nowhere does the blog claim to represent such a wide diversity of people, and any similarities between people portrayed on the blog and those of real people are purely coincidental. Thusly, no where should the portrayal of one fictional person be taken as a representative of every person who feels called to invoke a word or verse while leading worship.
ReplyDeleteAH hahahaha! Nice followup Glen!
ReplyDeleteFunny and true. I have known guys to sneak-a-preach so long while taking up offering at a conference, they got their own DVD! Offering time is notorious for sneak-a-preachers, especially at conferences in hopes of making next years conference list or the DVD set.
ReplyDeleteJoel: I fully understand pretty much everything here is satire. But just so you know, I shut down while leading worship today for fear of being like the fictional character described here. Thank you for that, Captain Snarkypants.
ReplyDeleteJudging motives is tricky business. That's why Jesus doesn't want us doing that. It gets too easy to get very cynical.
ReplyDeleteAnd, yeah, glen, preaching an addendum to someone else's sermon is a bit rude. Maybe we should just have open mic altar call and let everyone else who had a good thought inspired by a good message share those, too.
ReplyDeleteOpen mic alter call. Ha. Hahahaha. Awesome.
ReplyDelete@ AaronTerrazas - I was at that service where the preacher collecting the offering got his own DVD!! It was in 2009 and the "sermon" lasted 46 minutes and 32 seconds (I have the Conference DVD collection) LOL
ReplyDeleteMy favorite aspect of "sneak-a-preach" is when someone repeats another line of someone else's sneak preach. Let me explain. Gospel artists Kirk Franklin, Israel, and Curt Carr are professional sneak preachers. I have been to a number of services where a song that was performed by one of the aforementioned artists was being performed. What do you know but the song leader abruptly breaks the song and launches in to a "sneak-a-preach" that is remarkably similar to what one of the artists said on their record. If you are going to sneak a preach, the least you can do is be original. Personally, I think song and worship leaders should.....sing.
ReplyDeleteBrittany - Be careful with what you read here. Their motives are to trash and bash everything his organization does and believes in. I can only liken Joel's claim of satire in his blog to that of the Davinci code at the beginning of the book where it states that it's fiction. But the influence is so negative that you get sucked in to his negativity - Thankfully I am not one of them because they are so wishy washy in their faith and such a negative witness. As you stated on here that you "Shut Down".
ReplyDeleteThen you get Glen who bashes the Post Sermon Sermon who just did the exact same thing he was bashing about only in Blog form. We could call it the Post Blog Blog....Way to go Glen. Way to go Glen!
Anonymous, I think if Joel here was "trashing and bashing" he wouldn't be an apostolic anymore, but he obviously still is. Yes, sarcasm is sometimes negative, but the point of sarcasm is that it's not always what you truly feel, but just representing the true comedy in the way people act to get a laugh. Not all people can understand the true art of sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, it's also important that you don't go too far with sarcasm. I'm not a devout follower of this blog but I've checked it a couple times and it's never offended me, but then again, I'm not easily offended.
Brittany, As for "shutting up" because of what someone said about worship leaders.... that is no one's fault but your own. If your motives are true to speak out of the moving of the spirit then you have nothing to worry about. I, too, am a worship leader, I understand that pressure. This post is putting it into the context that the person is doing it for self-recognition. If you're not doing that then you have no reason to be afraid.
Shame on those who are full of the "spirit" and not showing the love of Christ. But just as much shame on those who would take a tool like the internet and exploit those who are that way at the expense of the countless number of Apostolics who are not. You do a diservice Joel. :(
ReplyDeleteGlen, You are so delusional to think that people are not truly seeing what this blog is all about. This is simply an Anti UPC (Apostolic) blog. Plain and simple. This blog bashes the way things are done in the UPC. With in the writing of the last few post especially the one where Joel comes out of the closet sort of speak regarding NAYC.
ReplyDeleteThen I read your comments somewhere on here where you said Joel prays so much and he reads so much and he is so spiritual that he appeared at the transfiguration....I almost think that you... "ARE" Joel (lloyd the loyalist) or you guys are upset that the UPC has an anti "Gay lifestyle" policy and that you guys can't be UPC and openly gay.
This is not Satire. This is not comedy. Even when a Pastor/ man of God spoke to him about the content that he writes on here he still continues to do it and blogs about his conversation???? Where is the submission to his elders and spiritual authority.
No we have Worship leaders being affected in a negative way and can't flow in the spirit fully because of his oh so satirical jesturing and then only to have his "Blog Affirmation Guy" to add to it and give him a "Good Game" and shout Amen.
It's funny that there is content on here stating anti NAYC and he preached this and didn't preach that and I need to go to Africa and help people. How is that suppose to happen when he can't write anything uplifting on this blog. Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. This is where Glen kicks in and says HUH HUH This is a blog he isn't speaking huh yuk.
Gentlemen it blows my mind that you guys consider yourselves apostolic or religious in anyway. You complain about standards and such...I can't go to the movies...Boo Hoo. I can't do this and I can't do that....Come on.
Regarding Bro. Stoneking: (First Video) haha THAT WAS AWESOME! I am glad that you guys put that up there because he is preaching against exactly what you guys are doing. You guys are luring people out of the UPC with your words. You are using your word to be a stumbling block as was confirmed by Brittany.....Wolf in sheep’s clothing you are. And if you took offense to what he said "Get off your high horse and grow up" He was talking to young people about people like you (Who apparently have seen greater truths) that if anyone tries to talk you out of this or try to pull you out of this double up your fist and smack them in the mouth. Satire boys. Watch the video again you can even see an older lady clap her hands and start laughing...
ReplyDeleteGal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Second Video - Glen you gave me at the end of your comments an Epic Fail. Well you guys just joined me. There is nothing wrong with the second video at all. Not even a little bit. You are upset at it because of the Emergent comments. and guess what....HE'S RIGHT! I think you need to take that to your lava prayer lamp on your emergent web site and pray about it. This is nonsense. How could you guys be so brain washed to think that what you are doing is all good. I'm Free, I am enlightened now let me go to the movies....????
Don't worry guys. You will have your reward. But consider this: Joel is a talented writer he really is. But he can use his talents for God and not against his Church or the denomination that God placed him into...
Satire - a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
Thanks for the Scorn boys, derision and thank you for the ridicule...AKA Satire.
Smart move Glenn
ReplyDeleteI have known Joel a very long time and if he allows this post to stay up I would like to clarify a few things about this blog.
ReplyDelete1st of all I can confirm that he is not, as the anonymous poster claims, gay.
The 2nd problem that I have is when anonymous says. “Where is the submission to his elders and spiritual authority?” The pastor who came to him was not his pastor or spiritual authority. I know for a fact that Joel has submitted to his pastor and his spiritual authorities but why when someone who is not over him suggests something he should be bound to follow. His pastor and his instructors in Bible College have not asked him to stop this blog.
The last problem I have is with him saying. “This is simply an Anti UPC (Apostolic) blog. Plain and simple. This blog bashes the way things are done in the UPC.” I can say that this is not the meaning of this blog. The problem that Joel and many of our Youth and Twentysomethings have are when they have questions the answer that is given to them is “because I said so” or “because that is the way we have always done it.” They are asking for scripture to follow it up. They are searching biblically and spiritually for the answers to the questions that they have. They also are talking about experiences and observations that they have. Do I agree with all of Joel’s posts? No, but do I think he is doing it with malice or with a rebellious spirit again I say no. Believe me; I have seen Joel with a rebellious spirit. He is seeking answers from his peers and he is being a voice for his peers saying it is ok to question what you do not understand. We cannot treat people as mindless sycophants and expect them to accept this. When dealing with a generation who are a product of the information age you need more than this response. As a parent of 3 children, when my response to them is “Because I told you so” they are more likely to not accept the answer but if I explain why, they accept and obey. When people understand what they believe they hold these believes much closer to their hearts. The problem is this puts more of a burden on us older generations to know why we believe what we believe. The easy answers just don’t do it. When this generation gets answers such as, “We do not want to offend the older generations who have gone before.” They ask is this biblical? Why berate them for wondering why it is ok to offend their generation. This generation is also a generation who has been brought up with the statement, “It is not about rules it is about relationship.” I can tell you Joel does have a relationship with God and most of the people on this blog do as well. If they did not they would not be able to reference and bare their souls as much as they do and one of the biggest “rules” about this blog is that if you disagree please bring scripture. This shows that they are in the bible and seeking their meaning and this blog is pushing them to find answers to these questions. The point of this is if you have a relationship with God and God is not convicting you about something and there is no biblical basis for it, why we do it. If their actions are driving them to a closer relationship with God, why is it wrong? What they do have correct, is being Apostolic and in love with God does not necessarily mean they are in love with Church because Church is not God. It is a place where believers congregate together to learn more about God and is run by humans. Pointing out hypocrisies and attitudes that they have seen are not wrong and they do not claim it is everyone. This blog is a place to push themselves and others to make biblical sense.
I am sorry Joel to respond but this offended even me. Please feel free to delete if I am out of line.
I have known Joel a very long time and if he allows this post to stay up I would like to clarify a few things about this blog.
ReplyDelete1st of all I can confirm that he is not, as the anonymous poster claims, gay.
The 2nd problem that I have is when anonymous says. “Where is the submission to his elders and spiritual authority?” The pastor who came to him was not his pastor or spiritual authority. I know for a fact that Joel has submitted to his pastor and his spiritual authorities but why when someone who is not over him suggests something he should be bound to follow. His pastor and his instructors in Bible College have not asked him to stop this blog.
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The last problem I have is with him saying. “This is simply an Anti UPC (Apostolic) blog. Plain and simple. This blog bashes the way things are done in the UPC.” I can say that this is not the meaning of this blog. The problem that Joel and many of our Youth and Twentysomethings have are when they have questions the answer that is given to them is “because I said so” or “because that is the way we have always done it.” They are asking for scripture to follow it up. They are searching biblically and spiritually for the answers to the questions that they have. They also are talking about experiences and observations that they have. Do I agree with all of Joel’s posts? No, but do I think he is doing it with malice or with a rebellious spirit again I say no. Believe me; I have seen Joel with a rebellious spirit. He is seeking answers from his peers and he is being a voice for his peers saying it is ok to question what you do not understand. We cannot treat people as mindless sycophants and expect them to accept this. When dealing with a generation who are a product of the information age you need more than this response. As a parent of 3 children, when my response to them is “Because I told you so” they are more likely to not accept the answer but if I explain why, they accept and obey. When people understand what they believe they hold these believes much closer to their hearts. The problem is this puts more of a burden on us older generations to know why we believe what we believe. The easy answers just don’t do it. When this generation gets answers such as, “We do not want to offend the older generations who have gone before.” They ask is this biblical? Why berate them for wondering why it is ok to offend their generation. This generation is also a generation who has been brought up with the statement, “It is not about rules it is about relationship.” I can tell you Joel does have a relationship with God and most of the people on this blog do as well. If they did not they would not be able to reference and bare their souls as much as they do and one of the biggest “rules” about this blog is that if you disagree please bring scripture. This shows that they are in the bible and seeking their meaning and this blog is pushing them to find answers to these questions. The point of this is if you have a relationship with God and God is not convicting you about something and there is no biblical basis for it, why we do it. If their actions are driving them to a closer relationship with God, why is it wrong? What they do have correct, is being Apostolic and in love with God does not necessarily mean they are in love with Church because Church is not God. It is a place where believers congregate together to learn more about God and is run by humans. Pointing out hypocrisies and attitudes that they have seen are not wrong and they do not claim it is everyone. This blog is a place to push themselves and others to make biblical sense.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry Joel to respond but this offended even me. Please feel free to delete if I am out of line.
The last problem I have is with him saying. “This is simply an Anti UPC (Apostolic) blog. Plain and simple. This blog bashes the way things are done in the UPC.” I can say that this is not the meaning of this blog. The problem that Joel and many of our Youth and Twentysomethings have are when they have questions the answer that is given to them is “because I said so” or “because that is the way we have always done it.” They are asking for scripture to follow it up. They are searching biblically and spiritually for the answers to the questions that they have. They also are talking about experiences and observations that they have. Do I agree with all of Joel’s posts? No, but do I think he is doing it with malice or with a rebellious spirit again I say no. Believe me; I have seen Joel with a rebellious spirit. He is seeking answers from his peers and he is being a voice for his peers saying it is ok to question what you do not understand. We cannot treat people as mindless sycophants and expect them to accept this. When dealing with a generation who are a product of the information age you need more than this response. As a parent of 3 children, when my response to them is “Because I told you so” they are more likely to not accept the answer but if I explain why, they accept and obey.
ReplyDeleteWhen people understand what they believe they hold these believes much closer to their hearts. The problem is this puts more of a burden on us older generations to know why we believe what we believe. The easy answers just don’t do it. When this generation gets answers such as, “We do not want to offend the older generations who have gone before.” They ask is this biblical? Why berate them for wondering why it is ok to offend their generation. This generation is also a generation who has been brought up with the statement, “It is not about rules it is about relationship.” I can tell you Joel does have a relationship with God and most of the people on this blog do as well. If they did not they would not be able to reference and bare their souls as much as they do and one of the biggest “rules” about this blog is that if you disagree please bring scripture. This shows that they are in the bible and seeking their meaning and this blog is pushing them to find answers to these questions. The point of this is if you have a relationship with God and God is not convicting you about something and there is no biblical basis for it, why we do it. If their actions are driving them to a closer relationship with God, why is it wrong? What they do have correct, is being Apostolic and in love with God does not necessarily mean they are in love with Church because Church is not God. It is a place where believers congregate together to learn more about God and is run by humans. Pointing out hypocrisies and attitudes that they have seen are not wrong and they do not claim it is everyone. This blog is a place to push themselves and others to make biblical sense.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry Joel to respond but this offended even me. Please feel free to delete if I am out of line.
Andrew hit the nail on the head with his comment. People (dare I say not only young people) need to feel safe enough to ask questions, because it's essential to growing in faith. Besides, watching movies doesn't mean you don't hunger for spiritual truth.
ReplyDeleteOne good thing that's come out of me reading this blog though, is I now know it's OK to expect my home church to make me feel safe enough to question. The same thing I get from this online freedom, I aspire to bring into my day-to-day experiences. I used to think I'd scare people away or be labelled a heretic if I asked them some of the questions I have.
But last week, at the mid-week Bible study at my church, with my heart pounding and mouth dry, I actually let it be known how I struggled with certain verses being used to teach oneness. I love the Bible, but I also know it's not fragile, I can't break it with my picking and prodding and questioning. And I'm starting to think church is the same way, been around too long and withstood too much stuff to be damaged by a few questions. Also, I think when Paul urges us to grow in unity as well as spiritual maturity, he's talking about stuff like this. About trying to meet each other's needs and putting up with each other.